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Here's the full interview I conducted with the Upright Citizens Brigade (sans Matt Besser, sadly.)
Please excuse any typos or errors I may have made.
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THE UPRIGHT CITIZENS BRIGADE
CONFIDENTIAL INTERVIEW LEVEL 4 SECURITY CLEARANCE ONLY
The Upright Citizens Brigade was once headquartered here in Chicago. Its membership was vast and the elite covert pranksters managed several events that garnered animosity from reporters, police and innocent bystanders alike. Talented improvisers all, they also put up several sketch shows at the ImprovOlympic and in the Second City etc space. In 1996, the UCB (Matt Walsh, Ian Roberts, Amy Poehler and Matt Besser) moved to New York City in order to bring more of their sketch comedy madness to the people.
The group still remains devout followers of late improv guru Del
Close and his teachings. Though they now have their own sketch
comedy show on the Comedy Channel, they still mention Del in all
of their interviews and strongly encourage others to do so.
They have enthusiastically returned to Chicago for the Chicago
Improv Fest for the past three years and will once again visit
our stages this April. Though they have finished shooting their
third season, the cast remains extremely busy. I managed to track
down three members for phone interviews, though I missed an opportunity
to speak with Matt Besser, the most vocally strident of the quartet.
Amy Poelher puts both peanut butter and butter on her English
Muffins. I spoke to her as she prepared to carbo-load for the
day. Ian Roberts and his wife, Katie Roberts a Chicago improv
alum herself, just recently had a baby girl named Josie. Matt
Walsh still has strong ties in Chicago with his family still residing
here. I spoke to all three separately and the sometimes the conversation
wandered. Here are the results:
HOW DID YOU END UP IN CHICAGO AND IN IMPROV?
AMY: I was in college at BC (Boston College) and it was time to
graduate and I didnt know what to do with my life and I was a
theater major with a communications minor which means I was in
all these classes with all these football players who thought
they were going to be sports announcers. My roommate, Kara McNamara
(of the ImprovOlympic team, the Tribe, now a counselor on MTVs
Blame Game) and I had been in an improv group at BC for the
past three years (My Mothers Fleabag) and we loved doing it.
We had a great time doing it and we found a brochure that said
that Hey, you can keep doing this by taking classes at Second
City. We wanted to postpone our adult choices so we decided to
move out there just for Second City. Kara moved out there a year
before me so by the time I got there she was like Hey, take these
classes, go to ImprovOlympic, do it this way
So, thats why.
IAN: I went to college in Iowa, then I followed a girlfriend out
to Milwaukee. When I was in Milwaukee, I started doing ComedySportz
for lack of anything better to do and also did a bunch of plays.
Once I felt that I had exhausted the possibilities there I headed
to Chicago sort of thinking I would get into Second City the moment
I got there. I auditioned, did not get in right away, but I did
get involved with ImprovOlympic. ImprovOlympic was the first place
where I started doing the improv that I wanted to do. When I saw
a show there, it was like Ah! Thats what I want to do!
It drove me crazy doing the kind of improv I was doing with ComedySportz
because it was just doing games and you couldnt get out original
concepts and want-not. That was my slightly circuitous route to
doing what I call real improv with ImprovOlympic.
MATT W.: I got affiliated through my brother Pat. He was doing
ImprovOlympic and it was just when Del was back from being in
L.A..
ImprovOlympic was over on Chow and I started taking classes with
Noah Gregoropolous and Charna and Del. Then it moved over to Papa
Milano and I started to hang out with Besser and I told him to
check it out. I did (Second City) TourCo., and I did the Annoyance.
I stopped doing ImprovOlympic for awhile and I did the Annoyance
where I learned how to improv full-length plays, more as a tool
than as a performance piece. We did some late night shows like
Puptent Theater and ScrewPuppies. I was in the original cast of
that.
TELL ME ABOUT YOUR FIRST MEETING WITH DEL.
AMY: I had seen him around, but the first class I had with him
it was me and Tina Fey (head writer for Saturday Night Live) .
God, when was that? 93? I was really anxious to meet him and
I was very nervous to improvise in his class because I was afraid
he was going to hate me.
The first day we had him he had just got his new false teeth so
for the next three or four weeks all he did was swear, and bitch
and moan and tell us all these horrible stories about how he ruined
his life and look at his fucking teeth and hes so pissed about
his false teeth. We were in awe and scared of him because he was
grouchy. He used to call me by the wrong name all the time. I
got to know him a little bit better when we did this pilot for
Second City that was really ill-conceived (RV TV). It was fun
because we got to go to Toronto with Del and hang out with him.
Hanging out with him in the airport was really fun.
IAN: I cant tell you about the actual first meeting, but I can
tell you about the first meeting that sticks in my mind. It sticks
in my mind because its negative. I was doing a scene that was
going fairly decently and then I started to throw in some pop
references and he said, Alright, alright, stop. Well, you had
a perfectly good scene that you then proceeded to ruin with your
inane pop references. Just slow down and trust yourself. Lets
have some original ideas, for Gods sake. Thats the first thing
I actually remember of Del among many, many memories. (laughing)
The first thing I remember is a negative one! I wanted so much
for him to think I was great in the second class.
MATT W.: It was at Chow, down on Wells. He just got back from
LA and he was talking about driving around town chasing auditions
all day and how horrible Los Angeles is, how soulless it is. Then
he talked about tossing some runes or dice or whatever theyre
called to help him make the decision if he would stay in LA or
come back.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ARE THE DIFFERENCES, IF ANY, BETWEEN CHICAGO
AND NEW YORK IMPROV?
AMY: We talk about that all the time actually. Its changing all
the time and Im sure Chicago improv has changed. Im sure New
York improv was a certain way; I dont know. I only know what
I remember and what Im experiencing now.
In reality, its not really that different. Improvisers love to
talk about the minutia of things, but the Harold translates here
as well as it does in Chicago. Theres equally as much talent.
When we first got here in New York there were more natural performers.
There werent as many businessmen taking classes to learn how
to write better presentations. So, the stakes were a little higher
in New York. There were a lot of people here just for that; to
perform. There was this sort of heightened sense of performance,
but that also sometimes came with a heightened sense of pressure.
For a while we found that the commitment level in Chicago, just
the basic raw commitment to things, was hard to match here in
New York. We tried to figure it out, because it wasnt that they
didnt want to commit or that they were fucking each other, but
it seemed that there were less chances to perform so less chances
to fail, so people put a lot of pressure on performing. Therefore,
when you put a lot of pressure on yourself to perform, for example
like in Los Angeles where improv is usually quite awful, it becomes
an individual showcase like How can I be funny. Any improv show
like that is doomed to fail.
So, we found that for a bit and there wasnt much long-form happening
here which was exciting. When I left Chicago people were tired
of doing Harold and taking it apart and they still couldnt do
one. When we came here people already knew about the Harold and
were doing it. It wasnt like we brought it here and nobody knew
about it. I was excited about that and the simplicity of it. It
was nice not having to back everyone up from doing their crazy
openings. Its changing now, but audiences here in New York dont
really see that much improv so theyre really excited by it.
IAN: Theyre becoming less since we moved out here. Before we
got here there just wasnt a lot of long-form improv; there were
people who wanted to do it, but they didnt know how to go about
it. Since we started our Training Center theres becoming less
and less a difference. Of course, theres less shows here, but
I think youll find similarly good work here in New York.
MATT W.: I dont know much about New York improv, only what we
do to be honest. My impression is that theres not a lot of variation.
I think theres not a lot of long-form. Theres a lot of musical
stuff because of Broadway. Shorter stuff, quick stuff, so long-forms
pretty new, maybe not new, but had a resurgence since we came
out here.
ARE YOU STILL TEACHING AND PERFORMING?
AMY: We have over 250 students at our school. We teach, (Chicago
alums) Kevin Mullaney teaches, Pat McCartney, Armando Diaz teaches
a teacher here in New York Michael Zelany
students perform shows
on Thursday nights. Students have New Team Harold shows and other
shows. The UCB Proper does sketch on Saturday nights and ASSSCAT
(improv) on Tuesdays.
HOW MUCH OF THE UPRIGHT CITIZENS BRIGADE TELEVISION SHOW IS CREATED
THROUGH IMPROVISATION?
AMY: Third season, quite a bit. The first season not too much.
We had written two shows that we had performed at Second City
and when we came to New York we wrote two more sketch shows so
we kind of culled most of our shows from that. The third season
is mostly from improv.
We tape all of the ASSSCAT shows and all of our sketch shows;
we also improvise after each of our sketch shows. We go back and
look at the tapes for ideas or premises we thought were funny
or we bring in half-written scenes and we improvise the rest on
stage.
WHEN THE SHOW IS IN PRODUCTION, WHATS YOUR TYPICAL DAY LIKE?
AMY: Get up at 5:30 in the morning, realize you have 10 minutes
to get to the van, get in the van at 6am, drive to the location,
which is usually in New Jersey. Get out, start getting in hair
and make-up which can take from half an hour to three hours depending
on what we look like. Block the scene, rehearse it and then shoot
it, just that one scene until 9-10 at night.
And thats pretty much every day for, our shooting season is about
five months. The season we just wrapped we shot seasons two and
three back to back. For the past year, out of twelve months, we
were shooting for about 9 months. It was pretty intense.
IAN: When were not shooting, we have prep weeks. We come in about
every day for about five hours and thats rewriting and polishing
up scripts that are coming up.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING AT THE IMPROV FEST THIS YEAR?
IAN: What weve put together for our touring show is sort of a
Best of of all three seasons. If were going to do our current
sketch show wed have to modify it. We usually do a set show,
and that ends up becoming one of the episodes, and afterward we
put up new scenes every week. Weve had shorter shows to accommodate
putting up a bunch of new scenes to see how they work. This year
we had Town Meeting that was the base show and we moved things
around. If we do the same thing we did before, probably just the
town hall part, and then improvise afterward.
Its such a blast coming back to Chicago, both times weve had
a blast. We know everyone, its where we came from. Actually,
we know less and less people each time, because more and more
people keep taking off. I hope that its inspiring for people
to see people that were there so recently who have a show and
are doing well.
YOU MENTIONED A NATIONAL TOUR?
IAN: It was put together really quickly towards the end of the
season. Its national, but not in the sense that you think of
the Rolling Stones National Tour. Its kind of all over the place,
single dates; Connecut, Georgia, Tennensse, NYU here in in New
York. Theres only about seven dates.
I think if we got organized and planned ahead we could do a nice
big one.
ARE YOU GUYS DOING THIS YOURSELF OR THROUGH COMEDY CENTRAL?
IAN: Its not through Comedy Central, its through our management
group. We actually just talked to Comedy Central about that being
a real possibility. Were the only show, if you look at their
network, where they could take the show and take it on the road.
Theyve got some other good shows, but theyre not like that.
So, we said why dont you guys get involved with us, sponsor it,
organize it and we can go around under your banner, but thats
not what happened this time around.
It was real last minute thing. We were Hey, we should tour after
this season!
WHO ARE, OR WHAT ARE, YOUR CURRENT INFLUENCES?
AMY: Elaine May, Julie Kavner. Who else do I think is really funny?
I always hate this questions because its like What are your
favorite bands? and you think What are the coolest bands?
IAN: I dont know if there are many people who influence me currently.
Id have to go back a bit
Monty Python influenced me. I used
to watch them and think I could die happily if I could do something
like that. I thought it was so neat that they wrote everything
and performed everything and had so many solid shows.
MATT W.: My dad. My dad is a very silly person. Boy, I could give
you a million and you pick whatever you want. As a child I was
a big fan of the Stooges, the Marx Brothers, all Brothers comedy
actually, Hudson Brothers, Mark Brothers, Martin & Rowan Brothers.
ALRIGHT THEN, WHEN YOU HAVE TIME WHAT SHOWS DO YOU SEEK OUT? WHAT
DO YOU WATCH ON PURPOSE?
AMY: I used to love Mr. Show. I think Janeane (Garafalo) is a
really funny stand-up. I still watch The Simpsons every week
because its the funniest show on television. I read the Onion
which I think is hilarious. What else is really funny? I watch
so little TV. I cant watch any sit-coms; I think theyre all
really terrible. I usually watch my Muppets movies and my Monty
Python movies. There are tons of people I think are really funny
who Im forgetting. I think Christopher Walken is hilarious.
DO YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE FOR IMPROVISERS?
AMY: Yes. Keep studying, dont ever think that you need to stop
because youve got it. Commit, I guess is my biggest thing. The
difference between people who are going to be good and people
who arent is commitment. That means committing actually in the
scene means believing that you are in that place even if the
scene is tanking committing to it is to me impressive. It shows
courage, intelligence and respect. And commit to the craft. If
you sign up for a class, go to it. If you going to be in a class,
be in it. If you going to perform, perform all the time. Dont
be distracted by the five hundred other shows youre doing. People
do too many shows! (laughs) Do a couple and commit to really hard
to selling them and pushing them and making them work. Dont spread
yourself too thin. It happens in Chicago all the time. People
are doing five million shows in five million theaters. It happens
in New York constantly too. Its hard to focus.
IAN: Advice on improvising or getting ahead and getting a career?
Getting ahead and getting a career, my main advice would be do
exactly what you want to do. Because you dont want to have some
career that everyone else has and maybe its just a job. I know
I made that conscious decision at certain point. I was driving
myself nuts going to all those agents with the rude woman at the
front desk who doesnt look up from her paper and says, Nothing
for you today. It sort of bummed out. I said You know what? Im
going to do what I want to do and I ended up committing to the
Upright Citizens Brigade and doing all these shows for fun and
getting better. You develop your own voice. As far as improv
theres too much stuff. Go to ImprovOlympic, listen to all the
stuff they say and do it. Or if youre in New York, come see us.
Work with an ensemble. You can be good as an individual, but what
makes a good team is getting to know each others moves like its
second nature. If youre not lucky enough to have a friendly relationship
with the people you perform with then you really need to be rehearsing
just as much as you all can commit to. Id say that three times
a week is a bare minimum to get to be a really good improv team.
Par that down to a sound bite, please.
MATT W.: Yes. Get an apartment with a bunch of your friends and
start a sketch group and live together and then start performing
all the time. Thats what I did. Find people you think are funny
and try to do shows with those people. Take advantage of all the
theater and stuff that comes through Chicago. Take advantage of
all the amazing teachers; Noah, Mick (Napier), Charna (Halpern).
DO YOU THINK THERELL BE AN UCB MOVIE?
MATT W.: Yeah. Will anyone ever see it? I dont know. Yeah. I
think we will probably make a movie. We have acouple of ideas
already. Ones about the Apocalypse. Adam McKay (former UCB member
and creative consultant to Saturday Night Live) actually has been
kind of working with us on a few ideas, written a few treatments.
Yeah, thatd be great.
A PARTING MESSAGE FROM MATT WALSH:
Tell my Mom I might be staying at her house when I come in to
town.
DOES SHE GET PERFORMINK?
Yeah. Shes a 64 year old mother of seven whos looking to break
into improv. So, if anyones looking to put her on a team...
Tell Charna that I said shes funny and she should be on a team
by now.
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